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Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

Strengthening America’s Immigrant ‘Resilience Force’ with Saket Soni

Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

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4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 10 January 2023

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

The language that is used to talk about immigrants in America is something that really bothers Chris. A common and unproductive trope that’s heard in media is “a flood of immigrants to the border.” At the same time, there is a growing dependance at the foundational level on the labor of immigrants in the U.S. As natural disasters are happening with increasing frequency and intensity, communities are relying more and more on immigrant laborers. Saket Soni is director of Resilience Force, a national initiative that advocates on behalf of disaster recovery workers. He’s also author of the upcoming book, “The Great Escape: A True Story of Forced Labor and Immigrant Dreams In America.” The subject of the story starts when Soni, who was 28 years old at the time, received an anonymous phone call from an Indian migrant who told him about incredibly inhumane worker conditions at a labor camp in Mississippi. The extraordinary journey that follows is told in the fascinating read about how Soni and 500 workers devised a bold plan, after a series of clandestine meetings, to escape and bring attention to their cause in Washington, D.C. He joins WITHpod to discuss writing about one of the largest human trafficking cases in modern American history, his deeply personal story coming to the U.S. from India, the importance of a well-protected skilled resilient workforce, rebuilding social fabrics around this topic and more.

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0:00.0

As the climate crisis has grown and as these disasters have become more frequent and more intense, more destructive,

0:07.9

the need for labor to rebuild and repair has grown.

0:11.8

So wherever these disasters hit, workers arrive. The workers follow the storms and we at resilience force follow the workers.

0:20.5

We attend to them and we're trying to organize them and

0:23.8

our ultimate vision is that there actually needs to be a permanent, well-treated at-scaled workforce that helps America prepare for the climate crisis.

0:39.8

Hello and welcome to Wise This Happening with me, your host Chris Hayes.

0:42.8

Let me start off with a little bit of a hobby horse of mine. Something that really bothers me about the way we talk about immigration in this country.

0:55.8

The metaphors we use particularly even metaphors that wind their way into ostensibly mainstream press.

1:03.8

One of them is a flood of immigrants. You ever hear of this term? A flood of immigrants of the border.

1:08.8

Now this is a very common trope. It's almost a cliche and believe me, I'm a journalist and I have a cable news show.

1:15.8

So I use cliches more than I should and we all do and we all traffic in them. It's kind of an occupational hazard.

1:20.8

Of course good, clear writing and communication avoids cliches, but this is a particularly insidious one because a flood is a metaphor of destruction.

1:30.8

It's a metaphor of inhumanity, right? A flood is a wild destructive. It's not sentient. It's not a group of people.

1:37.8

It's not, it has no agency, right? It's this implacable force of nature that comes and wrecks things.

1:42.8

In fact, it's in a literal sense the orr disaster, right? There is the flood in the first essentially written story we have, the epic of Gilgamesh.

1:50.8

There's a great flood and there's a Noah figure who sort of prefigures Noah. There is of course Noah in the Bible.

1:56.8

So the flood is the ultimate or metaphor of destruction of havoc.

2:01.8

So when you call a bunch of people showing up the floor, a flood of immigrants, you are, you're doing really insidious conceptual work.

2:09.8

You're saying these people are destructive. You're saying these people are something that you need to keep out the way that a dam or a dike might.

2:15.8

You're saying that if they let in, they will sort of go everywhere and everywhere they go, they will bring destruction with them, which is what water does when it floods a place.

2:25.8

Whether that's flooding a basement or flooding a city, it finds its level, right? And it works in this kind of incredibly damaging fashion.

2:33.8

Anyone has ever dealt with the aftermath of a flood. I find this like a really gross cliche and I would like everyone to stop using it when talking about human beings.

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