You are listening to War on the Rocks a podcast on on strategy, defense, and foreign affairs.

My name is Ryan Evans, I'm the editor-in-chief of Warren the Rocks.

In our latest episode, I spoke with Mike Duncan, the History Podcasting Mastermind behind

the History of Rome and revolutions.

I haven't yet tuned into the first I must admit but revolutions has become one of my

favorite podcasts. But Rome is what brought Mike and I together. More specifically

his New York Times best-selling book, The Storm before the storm, the beginning of the end of the Roman Republic. Over drinks at Buegert Saloon in Washington, D.C. Mike and I spoke about his new book, Why It's a timely subject,

Podcasting, Revolutions, Writing History, and more.

So how did you go from podcasting to book writing?

I went from podcasting to book writing because my very fine literary agent Rachel Vogel who is now my literary agent

sent me an email one day and said have you ever thought about writing a book you've

had this podcast go on for so long and it's been very successful.

Have you ever thought about making the move to writing a book?

And I said, yeah, of course, I've thought about wanting to write a book.

I know I've wanted to write a book my whole life but instead I

wound up like writing writing all the time but not for a book so it really just

came out of her saying let's let's kick some ideas around and see if we can't get you get you some kind of

book deal. And you did one before this that was sort of edited transcripts of the

podcast is that right? Yeah that was more of a almost a companion piece to the podcast that was just yeah that was

just taking what I had already written and converting it into into a like the

written transcripts of the show is really all that it was.

So this was the first time I took you know from a blank white piece of paper and said like I'm

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