What's up everyone? Welcome back to the Epic Gardening Podcast. We're joined again this week by Tom Piper

who is an award-winning director of the film Five Seasons, which as you know already will be a or is a profile of Pete

Odolf who is a world-renowned Dutch garden designer so today we're going to dive

a little bit into the making of the film because Tom mentioned yesterday that it was a

smaller project or at least conceived as such at the start and then it sort of developed

into what is now a full-length documentary.

So I'm curious kind of how that process came about, Tom.

Yeah, so it did.

It all kind of started with this first visit to his garden in Holland in as I said as I mentioned in

October when he was doing this workshop and and it was it was amazing to experience his garden and it was it was a great time of year to be there.

But we kind of left it that you know what I'd see what I had got and try to put something together and I still

had money to raise and everything so it was a little bit open-ended and again with the initial

thought that I mean I always had this idea that because of the way he

designs and what he celebrated for this idea of designing for every season that I

would try to at the very least I would try to visit his garden once every season and just kind of try to show it as it progressed through all the seasons through an entire year but it but it was just left open ended, but when I came back, there was,

I started to put together the little bit of footage that I got and it was really one of the things that came up was you know he's he's

Pete's Dutch and sometimes I think of him is very Dutch but he has this kind of you know he's pretty quiet spoken and and his English is good but it's definitely his second language and so there was a little bit of thinking that I might need to then go out and interview other people who could talk about his work and in particular there's a writer

named Noel Kingsbirdy who has co-written a lot of Pete's books with him and you know that

was somebody I thought about trying to to do an interview with and it felt like there

would probably be a lot more sort of talking heads involved in the film or at least people

sort of articulating what we're seeing

and then just letting Pete show us some things.

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