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🗓️ 8 November 2024
⏱️ 57 minutes
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Dr. Warren Hern’s book, Abortion in the Age of Unreason: A Doctor’s Account of Caring for Women Before and After Roe v. Wade, chronicles the difficult realities of providing abortion care amidst a polarized political and social climate. Drawing from personal experiences, Hern describes protecting patients and staff from aggressive protesters and emphasizes the critical need for abortion services to protect women’s health. His work also highlights insights from his research in Latin America, underscoring abortion’s role in addressing national and global public health challenges. Hern argues that the recent dismantling of Roe v. Wade has intensified a long-standing crisis, which now endangers democracy as political groups exploit the issue to gain power. His book exposes the real risks of restricted access and urges for political action to safeguard reproductive rights, stressing that women’s need for safe abortion services is an essential, ongoing component of healthcare and freedom.
Warren M. Hern, M.D., is known to the public through his many appearances on CNN, Rachel Maddow/MSNBC, Sixty Minutes, and in the pages of The Atlantic magazine, The New York Times, Washington Post, and dozens more media. A scientist, Hern wrote about the need for safe abortion services before the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision and was present at the first Supreme Court arguments. In his research and medical work, he pioneered since 1973 the modern safe practice of early and late abortion in his highly influential books and scholarship. A tireless national activist for women’s reproductive rights, he is an adjunct professor of anthropology at the University of Colorado, Boulder, and holds a clinical appointment in obstetrics and gynecology at the University of Colorado medical center. He holds doctorates in medicine and epidemiology. His book is Abortion in the Age of Unreason: A Doctor’s Account of Caring for Women Before and After Roe v. Wade.
Shermer and Hern discuss Hern’s journey into abortion care, abortion history pre- and post-Roe, and the complex procedures involved. They explore the risks of pregnancy versus abortion, societal and political challenges like protests and threats, and the debate over fetal personhood. Hern also delves into the broader implications of abortion rights on democracy and society, shedding light on contentious issues surrounding reproductive health.
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0:00.0 | You're listening to The Michael Shermer Show. Let's go back in time, way back in time. |
0:27.3 | What did women do, I don't know, a thousand years ago, ancient Greece and Rome or in the Middle Ages or whatever, when they didn't have any medical treatment? |
0:36.0 | Well, you have the situation that we know about from the author, |
0:42.6 | François Marizot, who was a physician in Paris in the 17th century |
0:46.8 | and published the first textbook on obstetrics and gynecology in 1668. |
0:53.8 | And he was motivated to do this work by watching his sister die in a pool of blood as she was |
1:01.5 | trying to deliver her fifth child. |
1:04.4 | And anyway, so he wrote this textbook, Malidi di F Women in Pregnancy in Childbirth. |
1:19.3 | And he called pregnancy a nine months. |
1:22.6 | And I thought that was of quite an interesting perspective. |
1:26.6 | And then I looked at my own obsessive textbook, which was full of all the things that could happen to women when they're pregnant and all the ways to keep that from happening. |
1:36.7 | And meanwhile, calling pregnancy normal and saying, woman is most normal when she's pregnant. |
1:43.0 | And wait a minute, what does that mean when she's not pregnant? |
1:45.9 | She's not normal? |
1:47.0 | That what she's for is reproduction. |
1:49.6 | And there's certain people in this country who believe that. |
1:52.8 | But in any case, I was questioning the premise of modern obstetrics. |
1:57.7 | This is 50 years ago now and 60 60 years ago, and looking at it. |
2:03.8 | And one of my conclusions was that pregnancy has all of the characteristics of an illness condition |
2:12.4 | that fits into the cognitive framework of illness, and that this is regardless whether one woman wants to be |
2:21.1 | pregnant or not, regardless of the circumstances under which she became pregnant, whether it was a |
2:27.8 | loving affection with a man or it was a rape, and it doesn't matter. She's in danger for losing her life because of |
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