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NerdWallet's Smart Money Podcast

Stop Living by One-Size-Fits-All Budgets — and Paying for One-Size-Fits-All Financial Advice

NerdWallet's Smart Money Podcast

NerdWallet Personal Finance

Investing, How To, Education, Business

4.3895 Ratings

🗓️ 11 August 2025

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

Understand how to assess when financial advisor fees are worth it and how to rethink personal finance rules that don’t serve you. What are the different financial advisor fees, and how can you decide if they’re worth it? Do you need to follow traditional budgeting and debt payoff rules to be financially successful? Hosts Sean Pyles and Elizabeth Ayoola answer a listener’s question about how to navigate financial advisor fees. But first, personal finance Nerd Kim Palmer joins the show to share her conversation with Dana Miranda, author of You Don’t Need a Budget, about why certain traditional budgeting frameworks may not be the right fit for everyone. Dana offers tips on experimenting with spending plans, prioritizing comfort over rigid rules, and how to reframe emergency funds as tools for opportunity, not just crisis. Then, Sean and Elizabeth welcome James Bashall, financial advisor at NerdWallet Wealth Partners, to answer a listener’s question about financial advisor fees, from AUM-based and fixed-fee models to fiduciary vs. suitability standards. They explain what high and low fees look like, what credentials to look for in an advisor, and when paying a premium might actually bring peace of mind (or not). Take the Smart Money Podcast Listener Survey 2025 and enter to win a prize! https://nerdwallet.com/podsurvey  NerdWallet Wealth Partners is a fiduciary online financial advisor, offering low-cost, comprehensive financial advice and investment management: https://nerdwalletwealthpartners.com/  Want us to review your budget? Fill out this form — completely anonymously if you want — and we might feature your budget in a future segment! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScK53yAufsc4v5UpghhVfxtk2MoyooHzlSIRBnRxUPl3hKBig/viewform?usp=header In their conversation, the Nerds discuss: financial advisor fees, when are financial advisor fees worth it, fiduciary vs suitability standard, how much does a financial advisor cost, AUM fee structure, fee-based vs fee-only advisors, how to hire a financial advisor, certified financial planner vs financial advisor, financial advisor credentials CFP, what is a fiduciary, what is AUM, robo advisor vs human advisor, average financial advisor fee, high financial advisor fees, passive vs active investing, index funds vs mutual funds, how to choose a financial advisor, budgeting rules that don’t work, 50/30/20 budget rule, Dana Miranda budget book, alternative to emergency fund, comfort fund vs emergency fund, financial triage, how to compare financial advisors, intuitive spending, what is intuitive spending, understanding investment fees, best financial advisor structure, how to spot hidden advisor fees, shopping for a financial advisor, emotional benefits of financial planning, and pros and cons of robo advisors. To send the Nerds your money questions, call or text the Nerd hotline at 901-730-6373 or email podcast@nerdwallet.com. Like what you hear? Please leave us a review and tell a friend. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

One of the first people I learned about investing from was Warren Buffett.

0:03.6

So I opted to invest in low-cost index funds, and I didn't bother with the financial advisor because of the fees, to be honest.

0:10.9

Present me is realizing that maybe paying fees isn't so bad after all.

0:14.9

Well, sometimes those fees are well worth paying, Elizabeth.

0:17.4

So this episode, we're going to give a rundown of different financial advisor fees and when it's worth paying them.

0:28.0

Welcome to Nerd Wallet's Smart Money podcast, where you send us your questions about your money, and we tap our vast pool of nerdy knowledge to answer them. I'm Sean Piles.

0:36.6

And I'm Elizabeth Ayala. On this episode of our amazing podcast, we answer listeners' question

0:42.4

about financial advisor fees. How do they work? How much should you pay? And how can you

0:47.4

avoid paying too much? But first, it's book club time. This is our semi-regular series where

0:52.9

personal finance nerd Kimberly Palmer speaks

0:55.4

with authors of new and interesting finance books. Hey Kim, who are you talking with this time?

1:00.2

Our guest today is Dana Miranda, author of You Don't Need a Budget. It's a newly released book

1:06.0

about money that offers some unconventional views I found really intriguing. We'll talk to Dana about whether we really need to pay our bills, pay off debt, or even save for an emergency.

1:16.4

Sounds great.

1:17.3

We also want to remind listeners that you can enter for a chance to win our book giveaway sweepstakes at nerdwollet.com

1:22.9

slash book club for our next book club pick.

1:26.1

And with that, Kim, I'll let you take things from here.

1:28.4

Great. Thank you. Dana, welcome to our show. Thanks so much for having me. Here at NerdWallet,

1:33.9

we talk a lot about budgets, especially the concept of the 50, 30, 20 budget where you aim to have

1:40.9

50% of your take-home pay going towards needs, 30% towards wants, and 20% toward debt payments beyond the minimums and savings.

1:49.7

So are you saying that is all wrong?

1:52.3

I don't think that the way anyone chooses to manage their money is wrong, but the premise of you don't need a budget is to question the advice that you're hearing,

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