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My guest is Stephen Pinker, the psychologist and bestselling author, who's emerged over the

past two decades as one of the leading defenders of academic freedom and liberal values

of limited government, secularism, tolerance, and free enterprise.

A year ago, he helped found the Council on Academic Freedom at Harvard, a faculty group that

advocates for the free and civil exchange of ideas inside and outside the classroom.

In the wake of the reaction by the campus left to the October 7th, Hamas attacks on Israel,

he published a five-point plan to save Harvard from itself in the Boston Globe.

His home institution, he wrote pointedly, is now the place where using the wrong pronoun

is a hanging offense, but calling for another Holocaust depends on context.

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