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🗓️ 24 September 2025
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Steven Pinker returns to Conversations with Tyler with an argument that common knowledge—those infinite loops of "I know that you know that I know"—is the hidden infrastructure that enables human coordination, from accepting paper money to toppling dictators. But Tyler wonders: if most real-world coordination works fine without recursively looping (a glance at a traffic circle), if these models break down with the slightest change in assumptions, and if anonymous internet posters are making correct but uncomfortable truths common knowledge when society might function better with noble lies, is Pinker's theory really capturing how coordination works—and might we actually need less common knowledge, not more?
Tyler and Steven probe these dimensions of common knowledge—Schelling points, differential knowledge, benign hypocrisies like a whisky bottle in a paper bag—before testing whether rational people can actually agree (spoiler: they can't converge on Hitchcock rankings despite Aumann's theorem), whether liberal enlightenment will reignite and why, what stirring liberal thinkers exist under the age 55, why only a quarter of Harvard students deserve A's, how large language models implicitly use linguistic insights while ignoring linguistic theory, his favorite track on Rubber Soul, what he’ll do next, and more.
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Recorded September 12th, 2025.
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| 0:27.4 | Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Conversations with Tyler. |
| 0:31.4 | Today I'm delighted to be chatting with Stephen Pinker. |
| 0:34.5 | Stephen needs no introduction per se, but I will point out he has a new and excellent |
| 0:38.8 | book called When Everyone Knows That Everyone Knows, Dot, Dot, Dot, The Subtitle is Common Knowledge and the Mysteries of Money, Power, and Everyday Life. |
| 0:49.7 | Stephen, welcome. Thank you. How important is the reasoning behind common knowledge? So say you get a bunch of men in |
| 0:57.5 | the room, and at the end of some thinking, one of them concludes that he has spinach on his teeth, |
| 1:03.5 | using common knowledge. Let's say that mode of reasoning was somehow not allowed to us. How much |
| 1:08.7 | lower would GDP be? It would take it It would be almost non-existent, |
| 1:13.8 | just because all of our economy depends on coordination, on people doing things that are in |
| 1:20.4 | everyone's interests, if everyone does them in the same way, beginning with money itself, |
| 1:24.6 | with currency. Why do we accept a piece of paper in exchange for something of |
| 1:28.8 | value? Well, we know other people will accept it and give us something of value. Why do they do that? |
| 1:33.9 | Well, they know that still other people will. Everyone knows that everyone knows that money has value. |
| 1:38.5 | That's what gives it value, I mean, as long as they do. And that can unravel when you have |
| 1:44.1 | hyperinflation or a bank run or a currency |
| 1:47.5 | attack. |
| 1:48.5 | Political power. |
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