If you're taking that bigger leap,

kind of that bigger, innovative leap into something

that is going to either transform the art world,

or it's going to come out as a movie or a book

and just like blow people away.

Like, I've never seen anything like this.

Well, that's a much bigger leap,

and it's going to be much riskier.

Like, every time you're asking people to take a leap,

like with what they're doing,

you're going to be taking a bigger chance,

because there's no validation in the past,

you can't get people to tell you

you're necessarily on the right track.

So what I tell people to do,

number one, you have to have a clear vision

of what you want to say.

You have to have a real feeling

that this is meaningful to you,

and you have to realize at the same time,

are there a lot of other people like me?

Like, if you're one of kind,

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