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This episode's guest is Steve Wozniak, more commonly and intimately known as simply

Was.

He is the co-founder of Apple, a prankster, iconoclast, concert producer, dancing with the stars

contestant and college graduate. True or false, Was is still an Apple employee. Keep listening and

you'll find out. In my humble opinion, he is the purest example of the profession of engineering,

no matter how you cut it, no waos, no apple.

If you or someone you like is a tech entrepreneur, listening to this episode is a must.

I'm Guy Kawasaki, and this is remarkable people.

Now, here's the Wizard of Waz.

I want to know how that first conversation went with Steve when you decided to start Apple.

Trouble is there were two different conversations because there were two different starts

of Apple.

And the very first start was for just a little partnership.

And the second was the corporation.

The corporation started with a great product that was going to carry the company for 10

years and really helped start the company.

The first one was a little product that was hastily put together and never even designed to be a computer. It was the Apple One in the end. And it wasn't, we knew before we ever delivered an Apple One, we had the Apple II. And we knew we had the product that would make a company. So that Apple one was almost incidental. But before that,

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