All right, Steve, you ready?

Born ready, sir.

I know.

Born fighting.

If we don't have a fight, why are we populists?

If you want to deliver a long monologue about the genius of Elon Musk and Silicon Valley,

if you've had AI write one for you, we can do that too.

No, I've got a very specific take on the oligarchs.

Good.

I'll share it with you today.

From New York Times opinion, I'm Ross Douthat, and this is matter of opinion.

On this week's show, we're continuing my one-on-one conversations with figures who represent different, potentially

clashing worldviews within the new Trump administration. Two weeks ago, I talked to venture

capitalist Mark Andresen about the newest faction in Trump world, the so-called

tech right. My guest this week, Steve Bannon, represents what I might call Trumpism classic,

the populist and nationalist movement that brought Trump to power in the first place, and

that aspires to exert significant influence in Trump's second administration.

Indeed, a lot of executive orders we've already seen from this White House, on immigration,

reshaping the federal bureaucracy, and more are clearly stamped by Bannon's populist

anti-establishment aspirations.

Bannon is also emerging as one of the most vocal critics

from the right of Elon Musk and other members of the tech right. And so we're going to talk a lot

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