I. D. the Future, a podcast about evolution and intelligent design. Welcome to I.D. the Future. I'm your host Andrew McDermott. Today we're bringing you the

concluding half of a 2019 interview between Daily Wire host Ben Shapiro and philosopher of science Dr. Stephen Seymour.

This exchange happened five years ago now and we thought it was a good time to dust it off and

replay it for those who haven't heard it yet or don't remember much of it.

Dr Meyer considers this one of the best interviews he's done on the subject of his second solo book, Darwin's

doubt. Shapiro, for his part, was extremely well prepared and asked

great questions, resulting in a thought-provoking and thoroughly engaging our long conversation.

In the second half of their conversation, Dr Meyer and Shapiro discussed the origin of life.

Dr Meyer explains how the field reached an impasse by the 1980s as chemists learned just how thorny the origin of life problem really was.

It wasn't just about life's building blocks, it was also about accounting for the information necessary to produce and sustain life.

Meyer explains why the R&A World Hypothesis doesn't solve the problem.

Then he tackles methodological naturalism, the materialistic assumptions that have pigeon-holed scientists since the time of Darwin.

The conversation concludes with some discussion of the fine-tuning argument and the multiverse

theory. Let's get back now to Ben Shapiro and Dr Stephen Meyer.

All right, so let's talk about the origin of life problem. The question being how did organic life arise from non-organic material.

There are some experiments that were done in the early 20th century in which under

certain conditions it looked as though maybe organic material could be created from non-organic material but

there really as you point out has not been a great explanation of how non-orgrenic

material could create an information system like DNA I was wondering if you could

elucidate that. So yeah the famous experiment still in a lot of the biology textbooks

is the Miller-Yury experiment in 1952, 1953.

They sparked a chamber that had gases known as reducing gases that then spontaneously produced a few of the 20 protein forming amino acids, two or three.

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