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State of Emergency

Radio Atlantic

The Atlantic

Politics, News, Society & Culture

4.4 • 1.9K Ratings

🗓️ 21 February 2019

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

Last week, President Trump declared a national emergency to get funding for the wall. The move gave him elevated power to move money around, but it was immediately met with lawsuits from 16 states. What exactly is a national emergency? Why is this one different? And just how far do a president’s emergency powers really go? Alex Wagner speaks with Liza Goitein, Co-Director of the Liberty and National Security Program at the Brennan Center. Months before the president’s announcement, Goitein looked into what powers presidents have in a national emergency. She wrote about her research in The Atlantic magazine, describing over 100 emergency powers she said were “ripe for abuse” and that “this edifice of extraordinary powers has historically rested on the assumption that the president will act in the country’s best interest when using them.” What could happen in the hands of a president less concerned with norms? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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At the crossroads of artistic insight and intellectual curiosity we find the edge of reason

0:07.0

dive into the heart of artistic inspiration rooted in Enlightenment thinking and discover how contemporary creators are holding a mirror up to society to reflect who we are, where we've been, and where we're headed.

0:20.0

Join me, Jeff Chang, at the Edge of Reason, a new limited podcast from Atlantic

0:25.6

Rethink, the branded content studio at the Atlantic, and Howzer and Worth.

0:29.4

We are going to build a wall, don't worry about it.

0:34.0

And wait a minute, and wait a minute, and who's going to pay for the wall?

0:44.0

Who's going to pay for the wall?

0:46.0

Who's going to pay for the wall?

0:49.0

I've never done that before that's actually cute.

0:55.0

Two years into office President Donald Trump has not convinced Mexico to pay for the

1:00.8

wall. He hasn't convinced Congress to pay for it either. And after that

1:05.6

became clear last week, Trump was faced with a choice. Shut down the government to try and

1:10.4

push one more time for that wall funding

1:12.5

or sign a budget without money for that wall.

1:16.9

Neither option was good.

1:18.1

The shutdown was terrible politically

1:20.0

for Trump and his party,

1:21.6

and reneging on his signature campaign promise was also terrible, politically.

1:26.0

So the President devised a third option, a nuclear one, if you will.

1:31.0

Sign the budget deal, but declare a national emergency. That move

1:36.2

theoretically gives the president unilateral power to move money around, but it

1:40.6

has been immediately challenged.

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