Welcome to Stars Matter, a recruiting podcast from The Athletic. I'm Mitch Light, college football

editor with The Athletic, and I'm joined by Ari Wasserman, our national recruiting writer at the athletic.

Ari, when we decided to do the show sometime in the summer, planned recruiting,

wanted to talk about recruiting.

I don't think we ever could have envisioned a week like this when we have two of the biggest

coaching changes in this,

the sport has seen ever.

And every coaching change affects recruiting.

But I don't know if we've seen one like Lincoln Riley from Oklahoma to USC.

No question.

Just talk.

Talk about recruiting, Ari.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, I was thinking about it when I wrote the story about USC and Lincoln Riley.

And the only comparable coaching shift from power to power was Jimbo Fisher from Florida State to A&M.

And even that one seems like a stretch when compared to these two.

Well, that was a major move.

No doubt about it, two power programs.

But Texas A&M was already recruiting well for the most part.

Now it's been escalated.

That didn't affect it.

It took Jimbo Fisher like two or three years to start.

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