Welcome to Stars Matter, a recruiting podcast from The Athletic.

I'm joined by Ari Wasserman and a special guest.

Last week, Ari, this fine gentleman was in the studio

audience as we recorded in Scottsdale, Arizona. Now he's a guest. It's been a big week. Bill Landis,

welcome to the podcast. Ari. My brother. How's it going back home as a married man? Last week you were a married man, but you hadn't returned home.

I keep forgetting to wear my wedding ring.

Why do you take it off?

I don't know if that happened to you guys because it's a little loose.

I think I've got to get resized.

But like it's never been a part of my morning routine.

So like today, Britt and I had to go to an accountant appointment this, this morning, because we're filing our taxes. We had to figure out who gets the baby and who gets the house and all that because we have the same bank account. Are you going to divorce? Separately. No, no, but like you have to decide who gets to write off. You don't nobody, you don't, you don't both if you file individually, get to write off the same asset. So we had to go to an accountant that would teach us or explained us how we would save the most money cumulatively by... Can we talk about recruiting? I just made quick small talk and it's turned into a life story about your... You asked me how wedding life has been. It's supposed to say it's good. It's good. Okay. I forgot bill forgot to wear my wedding ring bill do you take off

your wedding ring uh yeah take it off when i sleep i don't really know why but i just like put it

that is bizarre i put it on the nightstand next to me then put it on in the morning i i never take

i think it's bizarre that yours is on 24 seven i i i would you talk about recruiting please no i want

to talk about my wedding ring 24 years i it's been on 99.9% of the time. I took it off last week to show you. All right, let's talk recruiting. We brought Bill on because he's a great guest and he likes recruiting. But he wrote, we're going to talk about the story he wrote today, a data-driven story, which programs do the best job. So yes. Yeah, which

big data guy, big film guy. X's and O's in data. Which programs do the best

at developing five-star recruits into first round picks. It's not as easy as you

would think. We'll discuss a huge 2024 commitment

by the Ohio State Buckeyes. We're getting Ari's thoughts on one notable program that could be

on the verge of breaking through and recruiting. And we will revisit the recruitment of Peyton

and Eli Manning as chronicled by our Chris Camerani in a story published on the athletic today.

I guess let's first, Bill, why don't you jump in about Ohio State's huge 2024 commitment.

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