Welcome to Stars Matter, a recruiting podcast from The Athletic.

I'm Mitch Light. He's Ari Wasserman.

Already, we've gone back into the guest well today. It's a, can I call you a young man, Bill? He's a young man that you're familiar with. You know his work well. He covers Ohio State football for the athletic. Bill Landis. Ari, say how to Bill. Bill, say how to Ari? Hi, Ari.

It's nice to meet you.

What's up, Dahlaby?

How are you?

It's good to have you on.

Great.

Very honored to be on a podcast with you. Always wanted to do that. I appreciate the opportunity. Yeah. It's good because now we're actually going to record the argument that we had while on the phone regularly. Yeah, no, this is good because Bill is a, he's a, likes recruiting.

I believe he likes recruiting, acts like he likes recruiting, knowledgeable about recruiting, but there's sort of an Ohio

state twist, Ohio State angle that we want to talk about, but we're going to, we're going to hit

on everything today. Let's dive right in. Okay, Ari, last week, you had a hot take.

Ohio State, 2023 class is going to be garbage.

I think was your word. Why is everything that I say all the time, everybody calls it a hot take?

It's an analysis of the situation.

It's not a hot take.

I know.

Do you think it's a hot take?

It was lukewarm.

It was toasty because there's precedent set that they've

had elite classes back to back to back. So let me set this up for the people who did not listen

last one, but you should still do it. Yeah, of course. The premise being that this is not an elite

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