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The New Statesman.

Statesman.

Hello, I'm Hannah Barnes and you're listening to the New Statesman

podcast.

I'm joined today in the studio by our senior editor, George Eaton, and our political

correspondent Freddie Hayward.

Kia Starmer's leadership at the Labour Party has been described countless times, I think,

over the past four years as ruthless

and this week we've seen it in action for the first time as Prime Minister. So

we're drawing the labor whip from seven MPs only elected, well less than three weeks ago,

who voted with an SMP amendment to scrap the much discussed two child cap on certain benefits. Who wants to kick us off? George, how unprecedented is this?

It is pretty unprecedented. I mean the precedent that people have been citing is

obviously Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings removed the whip from a lot of

conservative MPs during the the Brexit war some subsequently had it restored and

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