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The Meb Faber Show - Better Investing

Stanley Altshuller - I’m Bullish On Active Management, But I Think That You Need A Correction For People To Remember Why Hedge Funds Exist In The First Place | #113

The Meb Faber Show - Better Investing

The Idea Farm

Investing, Management, Business

4.8978 Ratings

🗓️ 18 July 2018

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

In Episode 113, we welcome entrepreneur and hedge fund expert, Stan Altshuller. Meb starts by asking Stan to give us his backstory, and how he came to co-found Novus Partners. After Stan gives us his origin story, Meb asks about Stan’s broad approach to the markets. Stan tells us that at Novus, they start with data. This data encompasses everything from public data from regulatory filings, to private data from daily holdings reports. They bring it into an accessible, searchable database. Then engineers and programmers write various algorithms that capture and present the details of that data. This helps identify takeaways such as where the risks might be in a portfolio, and how various portfolios compare to others. Meb asks about common takeaways from all this analysis. Stan points toward “diworsification.” As the name implies, too many investors have far too many holdings in their portfolio – from a diversification perspective, more than is needed or helpful. Stan tells us that 12 different investments is as beneficial as 100. Another takeaway Stan points toward is “conviction.” Are you truly adding value to your portfolio given your weighting decisions? Meb notes how you have to have greater position concentration to make a real difference in your portfolio. He then asks how Stan measures conviction.  Stan tells us that conviction can mean different things. For equities, the highest ROI comes from stocks with a 7.5% position or higher. But if your portfolio is highly diversified, you’re unlikely to have a single position of this size. Stan adds that, for an allocator, the threshold is about 5%. Next, Meb asks about the state of active management. With so many headlines about flows going into passive, what are Stan’s thoughts? Stan gives us a great synopsis, covering “dispersion” and “correlation.” The presence, or lack thereof, of these market characteristics can have much to do with the success of active managers. Overall, Stan says conditions are now setting up such that we’re seeing alpha being generated in the hedge fund space again. He tells us “I’m bullish on active management, but I think that you need a correction for people to remember why hedge funds exist in the first place.” Meb asks about Stan’s process – what analytics help identify the good funds, what they look for, the red herrings… Stan says the first thing to do is ask whether the manager is telling you the same thing as what the data is telling you. You’re basically double-checking the manager’s stated skill set. Next, analyze whether the manager is truly going to add value to a portfolio. For instance, if you add another manager, how much diversification benefit will t actually provide? If not much, do you really want to pay their fee? Then you look at whether the manager is still generating alpha. Has there been style drift? Is he/she managing significantly more money now than in past years? Meb hones in on one part of Stan’s comments – “performance as a metric.” This is a great part of the interview in which Stan really draws out the point that looking at performance alone isn’t necessarily all that helpful. You need to understand how a manager created his alpha. Unless you understand that, you’re a duck in the water. You cannot invest based on performance alone.  There’s so much more in this great interview: What percentage of managers are really adding value with their short book… Stan’s take on whether hedge fund managers truly deserve their fees… When is it time to give up on a manager if performance has been lagging… A major risk in today’s hedge fund space… And Stan’s most memorable trade… This one involves Amazon and Google. Listen to Episode 113 for all the details. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Mebb Faver Show, where the focus is on helping you grow and preserve your wealth.

0:12.6

Join us as we discuss the craft of investing

0:15.6

and uncover new and profitable ideas,

0:18.4

all to help you grow wealthier and wiser.

0:20.8

Better investing starts here.

0:23.0

Mepp Faber is the co-founder and chief investment officer at Cambria Investment Management.

0:31.0

Due to industry regulations, he will not discuss any of Cambria's funds on this podcast.

0:36.7

All opinions expressed by podcast participants are solely their own opinions and do not

0:41.0

reflect the opinion of Cambria Investment Management or its

0:43.6

affiliates. For more information visit cambria Investments.com

0:49.4

Welcome podcast listeners full-on summertime show.

0:53.5

Today we have a great show with the co-founder

0:56.0

and chief research officer at Novus Partners.

0:59.2

A long time listeners and followers will be very familiar

1:02.3

with their work.

1:02.8

We've shared it many times on the blog, books, podcasts.

1:06.5

Before that, he was at IV Asset Management,

1:08.2

where he designed, implemented a set of tools and processes

1:10.8

for analyzing multi-manager portfolios.

1:12.6

Today, he's focusing on the role tech is playing

1:15.1

and shaping the future of investment management.

1:17.4

Welcome to the show, Stan Ulsterler.

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