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The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

Stahl Goes Generic: 3 Reasons to use MAOIs

The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast

Health & Fitness, Mental Health, Medicine, Alternative Health

4.8440 Ratings

🗓️ 12 June 2023

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

Stephen Stahl steps down from the industry-sponsored podium to remind us of 3 reasons to use an MAOI: Atypical depression, treatment-resistant depression, and social anxiety disorder.CME: Take the CME Post-Test for this Episode (https://thecarlatcmeinstitute.com/mod/quiz/view.php?id=3373)Published On: 06/12/2023Duration: 26 minutes, 24 secondsChris Aiken, MD, and Kellie Newsome, PMHNP have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this educational activity.

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0:00.0

We met up with Stephen Stahl and found something we all agree on.

0:04.0

Three reasons to use an M-A-O-I.

0:11.6

Welcome to the Carlyte Psychiatry Podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003.

0:17.2

I'm Chris Aiken, the editor-in-chief of the Carlat's Psychiatry Report.

0:21.7

And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psychiatric MP and a dedicated reader of every issue.

0:26.9

Stephen Stahl isn't known as a promoter of generic drugs.

0:30.6

Between 2014 and 2020, Stahl was the top earner on OpenPayments.com, bringing in 8.6 million in speaking and consulting

0:40.1

fees over those six years, more than half of which was from Tequita, maker of Trintellix.

0:47.5

So we were surprised to find Stahl speaking on a long-forgotten generic this year at the APA meeting in San Francisco.

0:56.6

Stahl is writing a book on lithium.

0:59.2

He just finished one on clozapine, and he hosted a seminar at the conference, whose wordy title

1:06.6

is a call to action.

1:09.2

If you are a psychiatrist, you need to know how to prescribe

1:13.5

monoamine oxidase inhibitors guide for MEOIs so an effective treatment option is not lost.

1:21.0

Today, we're going to bring you some highlights from his talk.

1:25.5

MAOIs are known as a second or third line option for treatment-resistant depression,

1:30.8

but Stahl pointed out their benefits in treatment-resistant cases

1:34.2

are not backed by the kind of gold standard science we have for meds like a ripiprosol.

1:40.0

He did highlight a randomized double-blind crossover trial from 1993 that compared to the M-A-O-I-Fenalzine with a tricyclic amypramine in 89 patients with chronic non-melancholic treatment-resistant depression.

1:55.6

The study was done by one of the founders of psychopharmacology, Donald Klein and Jonathan Stewart, who was one of the

2:02.6

presenters at the talk. This was a much-talked-about study in the 1990s, so it was good to see it back

2:09.7

in the slide deck. The patients were not truly treatment-resistant as they had failed just one

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