The first time I realized that I wanted more than I was supposed to want, it was both

terrifying and it was so freeing.

It was this liberating moment to realize, huh, I have the right to think about bigger things.

I am much more comfortable being open about what I want in part because of who I was

at 17.

I wish at 17 someone had said to me, you are a black woman and yes, you are entitled to

imagine you could run for president.

I'm Carly Zaken.

I'm Danielle Weisberg.

Welcome to Schim from the couch.

This podcast is where we go deep on career advice from women who have lived it.

From the good stuff like hiring and growing a team to the rough stuff like negotiating

your salary and giving or getting hard feedback.

We started the Schim from a couch, so what better place to talk it all out than where

it began on a couch.

Our guest today is Stacey Abrams.

Stacey served in the Georgia House of Representatives for over a decade and entered the National

Spotlight in 2018 during her run for governor of Georgia.

During that election, she became the first black woman to ever become the nominee for governor

for a major party.

She has since become one of the most prominent voices for voting rights in this country and

helps start three organizations focused on voting rights, equal opportunity and equal

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