Thanks for listening to Politics by Faith. Our most recent TV special was on spiritual warfare.

This is the second half of our special. We talked to Andrew Claven. And then I wrap up with some humble thoughts from Ecclesiastes 1-2.

Welcome back to our special spiritual warfare here on the first TV.

I want to go to the great Andrew Claven, host of the Andrew Claven show, of course,

and also author of the new book, After That, The Dark, and recently as well, The Kingdom of

Kane.

And then another book that I think will be relevant to our conversation here is

the truth and beauty, how the lives and works of England's great poets point the way to a deeper

understanding of the words of Jesus. All great stuff. Mr. Claven, how are you, sir? I'm good. Nice to be here.

It's great to talk to your son often and to the dad now as well. Sir, do you believe in spiritual warfare? Oh, absolutely, do I

believe in. Yes. In fact, I think one of the real difficulties we face in this time is that

even speaking openly about spiritual warfare, about God, and about the forces that seek to control us and fight over us

is considered to be superstitious or simply irrelevant where I think it is the only relevant

thing and somehow we have to put it in terms convincing enough and immediate enough to get

people to see that.

Back of the day, did one have to go through such effort to convince people that it was a thing?

No, they experienced it directly, and they didn't dismiss it.

What we have now is a system supposedly scientific.

It uses a lot of scientific terms, that explains everything away,

so that like anything that you see or experience is put in psychological terms,

by which I mean a closed system.

It's not that we don't have psychology, as we do, but the system is not closed.

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