My name is Dr. Carol Hughes, and I'm a licensed marriage and family therapist in California

in private practice, and I have my own therapy practice, and then alongside that practice,

I work in the divorce field as a child specialist for minor

and adult children and a family specialist and a mediator in a collaborative divorce process

also. Those are both out-of-court processes that are family-focused. Do you find adult children

are hesitant to come in for help?

On the whole, no.

I've only had a very few in the last 15 or so years that I've been working with the adult children to.

Just not even reply like to an email or a phone call if the parents reach out and say that I'm a resource for them.

But the vast, vast majority do come in either in person or we do phone sessions, Zoom. And they're very grateful. And they're

grateful to know about the book now recently. It's just come out a couple years ago.

Can you go ahead and give me the title of the book? Sure. It's called Home Will Never Be the Same

Again, a guide for adult children of gray divorce. You know, I'm sure you've heard it say that

couples should stay together for the sake of the kids or wait until the kids leave the nest before

getting divorced. Do you have any professional thoughts on either one of those

strategies? I would say in my clinical experience, there's almost never that I could say the

best time to divorce. And, you know, our legal system doesn't have any authority over the

adult children. So the family lawyers are very easy to say,

well, your adult children will be fine. The court doesn't have any jurisdiction over them anyway.

You know, they're in their own life, blah, blah, blah. What the research shows, the little bit that

there is on adult children of divorce, a gray divorce, who are already adults when their

children divorced, let me clarify that, who are already adults when their children

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