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Hello, I'm Dana Taylor, and this is a special episode of The Excerpt.

It's been a busy few months in the world of federal pardons, started on day one of the Trump administration with more than 1,500 people pardon for their roles

in the January 6th Capitol riot. And the pardons just keep coming. The past few weeks, we've seen

a spate of controversial clemency grants, including a couple of reality TV stars, were found

guilty of defrauding community banks out of tens of millions of dollars,

a gang leader serving multiple life sentences, and a Virginia sheriff convicted of bribery

and what prosecutors called a cash for badges scheme. The pardons are legal, but what are the

ethical concerns here as President Donald Trump's list of pardons continues to grow? Here to dig into some of the details of the president's curtain pardonspray as former U.S. pardon attorney, Liz Oyer. Thanks for joining me, Liz. Thanks for having me. Let's start off with full transparency here. You're suing the DOJ for your dismissal earlier this year. What's the background here?

And can you please explain what the job of a U.S. partner attorney is? I was fired in March from my

position as pardon attorney, which is a non-political position within the Department of Justice

that is entrusted with reviewing applications

for clemency from individuals around the country who are seeking that relief from the president

and making recommendations to the president about who presents a worthy case for clemency.

The position of pardon attorney is one that historically has been filled by a career

employee of the Department of Justice, not a political appointee, to ensure that that position is

one that is neutral and objective and that the clemency process is not fully politicized. Nevertheless,

I was fired very abruptly in March, and my firing violated a whole

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