Pushkin.

Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, The Big Short, Moneyball, and Liars Poker.

On the latest season of my podcast, Against the Rules, I'm exploring what it means to be a sports fan in America, and what the rise of sports betting

is doing to our teams, our states, and ourselves.

I'm heading to Las Vegas and New Jersey and beyond to understand America's newest form

of legalized gambling.

Listen to Against the Rules on America's number one podcast network, Iheart.

Open your free IHart app, search against the rules, and start listening.

From Pushkin Industries, this is Deep Background, the show where we explore the stories behind

the stories in the news. I'm Noah Feldman. This episode is going to be a little different from what

we usually do here on Deep Background because it's going to involve

a switcheroo. It's going to be a conversation between me and Jacob Weisberg. Jacob is the head of

Pushkin Industries, which is the podcast production company that makes this show. He's also the person

who had the idea for Deep Background in the first place and called me and said, hey Noah, maybe

you want to try a podcast. And the reason that I asked Jacob to come on the show and take my job

is that the conversation we're going to have is about a new book that I've wrote that's being

published today called The Arab Winter, A Tragedy.

For those of you who've been writing in to say that it's time for us to add some non-COVID topics alongside our COVID coverage, this one's for you.

And I promise that we'll return to COVID coverage in our very next episode later this week.

Jacob, thank you so much for coming to deep background.

Well, Noah, thanks for inviting me to play you on your show for an episode.

It's a tall order.

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