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SPECIAL | From electric grids to powering gadgets, sodium-ion batteries hold promise

The Excerpt

USA TODAY

Daily News, News

4.41.2K Ratings

🗓️ 14 August 2025

⏱️ 15 minutes

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Summary

From laptops to electric cars, lithium-ion batteries are in so many of the products we use every day. It’s hard to imagine there’s an alternative. But a half century ago sodium-ion batteries were also on the table as an option. Today, with metals like lithium harder and more expensive to source, electronics firms are taking another look at sodium-ion to power our modern devices. With greater availability, lower manufacturing costs and more stable chemistry, could sodium-ion batteries be the key to powering our future? Shirley Meng, a University of Chicago professor and materials scientist who has studied sodium-ion batteries, joins USA TODAY’s The Excerpt to dig into their potential.

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0:00.0

Hello, I'm Dana Taylor, and this is a special episode of USA Today's The Excerpt.

0:17.3

From laptops to electric cars, lithium-ion batteries are in so many of the products we use every day.

0:24.3

It's hard to imagine there is an alternative.

0:27.2

But a half century ago, sodium ion batteries were also on the table as an option.

0:31.5

Today, with metals like lithium harder and more expensive to source, electronics firms are taking another look at sodium

0:39.3

ion to power our modern devices. With greater availability, lower manufacturing costs, and more

0:45.4

stable chemistry, could sodium ion batteries be the key to powering our future? To answer these

0:51.7

questions more, I'm now joined by Shirley Munn, a University of

0:56.2

Chicago professor and material scientists who studied sodium ion batteries. Thanks for joining us

1:02.2

on the excerpt, Shirley. Pleasure to be here. Let's talk about sodium ion versus lithium

1:08.0

ion batteries. What are the advantages and disadvantages of each?

1:13.4

So imagine that the working ions is the bigger ions. So many people think the bigger ions

1:19.3

will be slower, meaning when you charge, discharge the battery, the ions move at a slower

1:25.5

speed. But that's the wrong assumption.

1:28.1

Actually, scientifically, we have proven that sodium ions can actually move very, very quickly

1:34.0

between the negative and the positive electrodes.

1:37.2

So one of the major advantages that sodium ions provide is that the device tend to be more power and actually enabling more fast charging

1:47.3

capability. So we are actually very excited about the physical properties of the sodium

1:53.5

iron. And the second, very important consequences of the physical properties of the sodium iron

1:59.4

is that you can enable lower temperature

2:02.7

operation. So I'm from Chicago. Sometimes Chicago's weather can be a little bit of problematic

2:08.1

for lithium iron batteries. Actually, sodium iron can provide a solution for the lower temperature

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