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SPEAKING SOON TO RUSSELL SHORTO FOR HIS NEW "TAKING MANHATTAN: The Extraordinary Events That Created New York and Shaped America:" 2/4: Smalltime: A Story of My Family and the Mob. by Russell Shorto

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 23 March 2025

⏱️ 8 minutes

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SPEAKING SOON TO RUSSELL SHORTO FOR HIS NEW "TAKING MANHATTAN: The Extraordinary Events That Created New York and Shaped America:" 2/4: Smalltime: A Story of My Family and the Mob. by Russell Shorto


https://www.amazon.com/Smalltime-Story-My-Family-Mob/dp/0393245586/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

Family secrets emerge as a best-selling author dives into the history of the mob in small-town America.


The best-selling author Russell Shorto, praised for his incisive works of narrative history, never thought to write about his own past. He grew up knowing his grandfather and namesake was a small-town mob boss but maintained an unspoken family vow of silence. Then an elderly relative prodded: You’re a writer―what are you gonna do about the story?


Smalltime is a mob story straight out of central casting―but with a difference, for the small-town mob, which stretched from Schenectady to Fresno, is a mostly unknown world. The location is the brawny postwar factory town of Johnstown, Pennsylvania. The setting is City Cigar, a storefront next to City Hall, behind which Russ and his brother-in-law, “Little Joe,” operate a gambling empire and effectively run the town.


Smalltime is a riveting American immigrant story that travels back to Risorgimento Sicily, to the ancient, dusty, hill-town home of Antonino Sciotto, the author’s great-grandfather, who leaves his wife and children in grinding poverty for a new life―and wife―in a Pennsylvania mining town. It’s a tale of Italian Americans living in squalor and prejudice, and of the rise of Russ, who, like thousands of other young men, created a copy of the American establishment that excluded him. Smalltimedraws an intimate portrait of a mobster and his wife, sudden riches, and the toll a lawless life takes on one family.
1941 Pittsburgh

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0:00.0

I'm John Baxter.

0:10.8

This is the new John Baxter show.

0:12.2

Russell Stortos here to help me tell a story that solves much of where America comes from.

0:18.3

The ambitions of young men and women who travel to America

0:22.4

for work and establish families and marry and have children. In this particular case,

0:28.0

it's the very famous Johnstown, Pennsylvania, the steel mills of Johnstown that becomes the

0:33.5

arsenal of democracy of Johnstown some decades later. However, we leave this threatened

0:41.2

family of nine children and Anna Maria, who is called Maria, Russell's great-grandmother,

0:50.3

she must make do with no income. There's no welfare going on. We seize on one of her children to

0:57.5

follow for the rest of this story. Rosario, who is called Russell, your namesake. He's born in 1914.

1:05.0

What is, what did he remember of his father's death, of being told of his father's death. Is there a family story about that, Russell?

1:13.6

Well, the family stories are, that's really what I have to go on,

1:16.6

and that he was beaten up and murdered because of the bankroll,

1:22.0

the money that he had on him.

1:24.4

And so from that moment, he was six years old when his father died, and he was the oldest boy, and he becomes, as it were, the man of the family.

1:32.4

And that coincides very neatly with the beginning of prohibition in America.

1:38.8

And that then becomes an income stream for his mother, for his family, and for millions of other people in the country,

1:45.2

because suddenly you have a product everybody in the country seems to want,

1:49.5

and the businesses that had been set up to provide it suddenly are out of business.

1:56.4

So like many others, Mary sets up a still in her house, and there was a local man, kind of a

2:06.2

neighborhood protector boss, Italian man, who apparently urged her and told her how to do it,

2:15.4

and did likewise for others in the neighborhood.

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