BBC 5 live. We're recording this on a gloomy Tuesday morning in London. This is Greg James.

That is Felix White over there. Hi. And we should now cross to, well, I suppose, an equally gloomy New Zealand.

Uh, Jimmy. Hello. Hi, mate. Hi, Jim. Oh, he must be knackered. So the situation is this.

They've just come off the field after time and overs have run out on the test match. And the match

was drawn and you see them hanging on at the end there. And Jimmy, how are you feeling?

This is very raw. Imagine what hour ago you walked off the field.

It was about, yeah, less than an hour ago. We'll count the fields for straighting, yeah,

because we had a great start to the day. We got two of us. It's the first two balls, which is unusual.

But then, you know, the pitch just got a bit dead this afternoon. It's really everything.

I'm tried everything. Drops of your catches. It's obviously doesn't help. And they bet it's really

well and might actually get through to the end. The tail essentially bated 60 overs,

as here in this morning. Yeah. Like I said, we had it. We had a soldy drop

to early on. At 30 point off dinner. So that makes it difficult. You went on a place about 160 balls.

So that's obviously a costly mess. And you need to take half chances when your final

pitch is pretty flat. You need to take these half chances. And unfortunately, we didn't do that.

I was listening to TMS this morning. Um, Jonathan Agnew was, was mentioning it was like a,

look like a village scene at the end of it with a light fading ever around the back. Only the

spinners are allowed to ball and everything. Was there a moment where you, you thought you could

still do that in the last sort of five hours or so? Yeah, we kept, we kept going and we kept

believing till the end, you know, it's just frustrating the way it had way ended was

Routey actually got all the kit and then the batsmen obviously took a took their time come into

the crease to try and waste a bit of time. It was about five minutes less. By the time he,

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