Hello and welcome to outrage and optimism. I'm Paul Dickinson. I'm Christiana Fierrez, and we have no Tom.

No Tom. Where is he? Is he gone to Brazil? Is that right? Tom is in Brazil, yes, doing some cop preparations.

And it's very nice to be able to spend little time just with you, Kristiana, because I think you have a simply amazing story because you have been to...

Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, yes. Are you going to say it or am I going to say it? You're going to say it.

Paul, I am so excited to share with you about my recent trip to Vanuatu in the South Pacific. And it was such a meaningful

trip for me personally, but also just to refresh my memory about amazing leadership of Vanuatu

on climate change over decades. Can I just kick off and say what took you to Vanuatu?

Well, one thing you probably don't know, Paul, is that I actually spend some time living

and working in the region, not in Vanuatu itself, but in the Pacific region, 45 years ago.

I lived in work in Fiji and Samoa.

So the fact that I had this amazing opportunity to return first to Fiji because we were organizing the climate retreat for Pacific Island activists and nature protectors,

which was an amazing, just transformational retreat.

But then also, since we were all the way over there on the other side of the world,

we decided to go to Vanuatu, where I had not been.

But, you know, Vanuatu has been an indisputable and such courageous leader on climate change issues. For decades, this tiny,

weancy little country has had continued leadership on climate change. And when I say a country

has had decades of leadership, what I actually mean, Paul, is that the miracle has occurred that several, sequential, political,

and economic leaders of the country have actually decided that they will continue the

leadership.

And that's the remarkable bit.

It is the continuation of so many people in Vanuatu

who have continued this remarkable leadership that we will be talking about today.

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