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🗓️ 30 August 2025
⏱️ 35 minutes
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Today, we're excited to share an episode from NPR's newest podcast, Sources & Methods. Each Thursday, host Mary Louise Kelly breaks down the week's biggest national security news with NPR's team of reporters covering the military, State Department, and spy agencies. NPR correspondents stationed around the world also join the conversation.
This episode: Moscow bureau chief Charles Maynes and national security correspondent Greg Myre unpack the war of attrition in Ukraine, a spate of firings and security clearance revocations in the intelligence community, and President Trump's use of police and the National Guard in D.C.
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| 0:25.4 | special bonus episode for you, the first episode of NPR's newest podcast, sources and methods, |
| 0:31.3 | where NPR's team covering the military, state department, and intelligence agencies break down the |
| 0:36.5 | biggest national security news of the week. |
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| 1:06.8 | Mass government security officials, detaining people in vans, no immediate form of ID, no idea where the detainees are headed. |
| 1:14.4 | And yet life goes on. |
| 1:16.4 | It does look like something out of Minsk or Moscow. |
| 1:19.7 | And what's strange is the normalcy of it all. |
| 1:22.5 | A spy chief fired. |
| 1:25.0 | A former national security advisor targeted by the FBI, and the National Guard |
| 1:30.3 | on the streets in D.C. As President Trump pushes the limits of his power at home, he has nothing |
| 1:36.9 | to show for his efforts abroad to end the war in Ukraine. At least, not yet. This is sources |
| 1:43.4 | and methods from NPR. |
| 1:46.7 | I'm Mary Louise Kelly. |
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