Sophie Saves Zambia

Nobody Should Believe Me

True Story Media

True Crime, Personal Journals, Society & Culture

4.3 • 2.3K Ratings

🗓️ 2 January 2025

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

We begin the season by delving into Sophie Hartman’s 2016 memoir about her time in Zambia, Crowns of Beauty, where we learn about how a young woman from Michigan came to be the adopted mother of two Zambian girls by the age of 25. We learn about Sophie’s deep roots in evangelical Christianity and her state of mind prior to and during the adoptions of M and C; examining the way she portrays herself as both a martyr and savior. We’re also joined by Chad Goller-Sojourner, a performance artist and transracial adoption coach, to help listeners understand the complexities of transracial adoptions. *** Links and Resources: Chad Goller-Sojourner’s Sitting in Circles with Rich White Girls: Memoir of a Bulimic Black Boy will be adding show dates in spring 2025. Click HERE for more information. More information on Chad’s background with transracial adoption: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1q76t_IpbJil2vWQVsNnw7f8Ms8p_lstK/view Preorder Andrea and Mike’s new book The Mother Next Door: Medicine, Deception, and Munchausen by Proxy Catch Andrea and Mike at their Seattle Book Launch Event: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/andrea-dunlop-and-mike-weber-the-mother-next-door-tickets-1097661478029 Check out You Probably Think This Story's About You: https://brittaniard.com/podcast Click here to view our sponsors. Remember that using our codes helps advertisers know you’re listening and helps us keep making the show! Subscribe on YouTube where we have full episodes and lots of bonus content. Follow Andrea on Instagram for behind-the-scenes photos: @andreadunlop Buy Andrea's books here. To support the show, go to Patreon.com/NobodyShouldBelieveMe or subscribe on Apple Podcasts where you can get all episodes early and ad-free and access exclusive ethical true crime bonus content. For more information and resources on Munchausen by Proxy, please visit MunchausenSupport.com The American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children’s MBP Practice Guidelines can be downloaded here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	True Story Media
0:05.4	Before we begin, a quick warning that in this show, we discuss child abuse, and this content may be difficult for some listeners.
0:14.8	If you or anyone you know is a victim or survivor of medical child abuse, please go to munchausen Support.com to connect with professionals who can help.
0:29.5	There is a family in Renton that I want to introduce you to mom, Sophie, went on an inspiring trip to Zambia in her college year.
0:37.0	She's since adopted two girls.
0:39.3	One of them has an incredibly rare disorder. Doctors say it's a one in a million chance.
0:45.3	The audio you just heard is from a news story that aired on King Five television back in May of 2019.
0:52.3	This story wasn't on my radar, but I had a lot going on back
0:56.9	then. I had just had a baby and had a new book coming out. And this was around the time that
1:02.1	Munchausen by proxy was really entering my work life. The month that this story aired, I'd done my
1:08.1	very first interview about my own family story for Vanity Fair, and this was
1:12.3	followed by an appearance on a local station about my third novel, We Came Here to Forget.
1:17.2	This was all taking place amid the second investigation into my sister for Munchausen
1:21.9	Biproxy abuse of her children. By the middle of that summer, the courts would return my sister's children to her.
1:28.6	And a few months after that, the prosecuting attorney would make the decision not to file charges against my sister, Megan Carter, despite the horrifying and voluminous evidence against her.
1:39.6	But back to Sophie.
1:41.2	In general, seeing stories about sick kids in the news is upsetting for a bunch
1:45.3	of reasons. So family friends are banding together. They're trying to raise money. And this is
1:50.1	something that is, you know, no little ask. We're talking about like $60,000 for a vehicle
1:55.3	for them. So we just wanted to put their positive energy out there.
2:02.7	Of course, there are the particular fears and questions that I bring to it,
2:06.8	given my experience with my sister.
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