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Some Dinos Had Feathers. Did They Fly?

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Summary

When you picture a dinosaur, what does it look like? For Jingmai O'Connor, paleobiologist and associate curator of reptiles at the Field Museum of Chicago, the dinosaurs she studies look a lot more like birds.

"If you looked at an artist's reconstruction of something like Velociraptor or Microraptor ... you would see that it pretty much looks the same as a bird," Jingmai says. "In terms of the plumage, the soft tissues covering the body, it would have looked very, very birdlike."

In this episode, Short Wave delves into the dinosaur-avian connection. Which dinosaurs had feathers? Were they using them to fly? And once and for all – what are those ancient dinosaurs' relationship to birds today?

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today's episode with a question. When I say dinosaur, what do you picture in your head?

0:40.6

Maybe a stegosaurus, like a chunky guy with diamond-shaped plates and a ridge along its

0:45.7

back, or triceratops with like huge horns, kind of like a rhinoceros, but like a little kid

0:51.6

had drawn it. Or T-Rex, classic, big body, big teeth, tiny little arms.

0:59.0

But what you might not think of are feathers.

1:04.0

It turns out many dinosaurs did have feathers.

1:09.0

We found that out in the mid-90s when dinosaur fossils were discovered at the bottom of a lake

1:13.8

in China.

1:15.1

In lakes, you have no scavengers and you have guaranteed burial.

1:19.4

And so this leads to really exceptional preservation.

1:22.2

And these fossils from China, the most common soft tissue they preserve are feathers.

1:26.6

This is Jing Mei O'Connor.

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She's a dinosaur paleobiologist and the associate curator of fossil reptiles at the Field Museum of Chicago.

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And she says that the structure of a feather is mostly keratin, which is a protein that usually breaks down over time.

1:40.5

But when feathers have pigment-bearing mono-organelles called melanosomes, they're in our

1:49.2

eyes, they're in the ink sats of squid, they're everywhere, right? So these organelles are extremely

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