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I'm Ariana Brocious.

I'm Kushanavadar.

And this is Climate One.

Ariana, you just got back from the Society of I'm Kushanavadar. And this is Climate One.

Ariana, you just got back from the Society of Environmental Journalists Conference, right? How was that?

Oh, it was great. I got to catch up with some old friends and make some new ones. I learned a lot from our fellow climate and environmental journalists about new tools, big stories happening right now.

You know, it was inspiring and also dark at times because there's a lot of bad and hard news out there, especially when it comes to federal rollbacks and pollution, environmental injustice.

And so all that, you know, not to mention the climate crisis.

Yeah, that list is long and it could be longer, but we don't have to dwell in it the whole time. But while you were at the conference,

I was in San Francisco with Climate 1 during SF Climate Week. And not to harp on it, but it does

sound like there was a similar vibe there. I mean, things are not great. And it's easy to like spiral into a climate doom loop. But hot take solutions do exist.

Yes. And, you know, in times like this, I think it really helps to get perspective from those who've been in the field a long time, and also people who approach

things from a totally different frame altogether. I totally agree. I had the chance to sit down

with two climate big thinkers, Jonathan Foley, executive director of Project Drawdown, and

Nikhil Swamanathan, CEO of Grist, which is a nonprofit online newsroom covering climate, energy, and

environmental justice. We talked in front of a live audience at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco

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