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This Jungian Life Podcast

SOLUTIO: The Alchemy of Letting Go

This Jungian Life Podcast

Joseph Lee, Deborah Stewart, Lisa Marchiano

Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.72.1K Ratings

🗓️ 14 August 2025

⏱️ 75 minutes

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Summary

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠DREAM WITH US, and we’ll teach you how to interpret them!


Solutio is Psyche’s method to facilitate transformation: our rigid ego is softened in symbolic water, allowing outworn attitudes to unbind. We can see this reflected in dreams of oceans and baths, or a wall of our house dissolving. This can show up when we slough off our work persona or a creative depression brought on by retirement. Analysis itself—ana-lysis—a deliberate loosening, can deepen the process by offering a safe container to let go and yield to the process. The work is careful because the waters that purify (baptism or tears) can also drown us (psychosis or crowd contagion). We require a supportive relationship, a daily spiritual practice, or the analytic hour to hold us as our ego reorganizes like a butterfly in a chrysalis.


Once our ego solidifies, we notice we’re more permeable to symbols or less defended against feelings. We’re more skilled at breaking problems into their component parts with a determination to resist regressing. The alchemical process was not created; it was noticed as a natural pattern of transformation. It leaves us with more of who we really are, but we couldn’t have claimed until we became soft enough to receive it.


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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to this Jungian life.

0:04.2

Three good friends and Jungian analysts, Lisa Marchiano, Deborah Stewart, and Joseph Lee,

0:09.7

invite you to join them for an intimate and honest conversation that brings a psychological perspective to important issues of the day.

0:19.4

I'm Lisa Marchiano, and I'm a Jungian analyst in Philadelphia. I'm Joseph Lee,

0:24.9

and I'm a Jungian analyst in Virginia Beach, Virginia. I'm Deborah Stewart, a Jungian analyst,

0:31.1

and Cape Cod.

0:56.5

Thank you. In today's episode, as part of our sequence on alchemical stages, we're going to talk about the saluteo, which is one of the primary operations in alchemical symbolism.

1:03.9

It's associated rather explicitly with the element of water. And from a purely chemical standpoint, it has to do with the operations that turn a solid into a liquid. When we think

1:10.3

about that as a psychological metaphor, we're talking about

1:14.6

dissolving something that is fixed, taking a very differentiated attitude, experience, feeling,

1:24.2

and taking it back to a kind of primal, undifferentiated state,

1:30.2

back to what the alchemist called its prima materia.

1:35.3

And this return to one's origins

1:38.2

is a kind of psychological return to the womb

1:42.6

and a possibility for rebirth, ideally on a higher arc.

1:50.9

So we're going to delve into this, but before we jump into the specific, we should probably

1:59.0

just talk a little bit about alchemy in general, particularly for

2:02.8

those of you that may be new to the topic. So alchemy was the medieval study of materials

2:13.6

with the hope of learning the secret to transmuting lead into gold. It was about the search for

2:22.8

the philosopher's stone, which was also seen to have magical properties such as granting everlasting

2:29.9

life. It was the precursor to modern day chemistry because the alchemists actually did

2:36.7

experiments in their laboratory, trying to understand the chemical changes again in search for

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