The universal adoption of this as a consumer technology and then bleeding into pro-summer is,

it exceeds anything I've ever experienced.

And I think it is, it will just fundamentally change people's sort of daily pattern.

This is all early adopters and early adopters are very forgiving of mistakes on purpose.

When something is brand new, a culture around it develops.

The early internet people didn't complain that the internet was slow.

The more senior small teams that use AI are superhuman.

It's like they woke up and they were all fucking Tony Stark.

It's unbelievable.

And like their productivity is insane.

Should the U.S. put a price on H-1B visas or would that shut out new talent?

Are AI coding agents truly boosting productivity or just heightened?

And in this AI platform shift, who wins?

Incumbents or new AI-native startups?

Today, I sit down with Bok CEO Aaron Levy, alongside A16 Z's Steven Sinovsky and Martine Casado, to debate

H1B reform, why Box now ships a third of its code from AI, the move from writing to reviewing

code, and why bottom-up AI tools beat top-down pilots. Let's get into it.

First, I just want to comment, you posted in in the group chat that the news around autism updates your P-Doom.

Yes, it only works if you show the image though, so you'll have to do the overlay to make that make sense.

But there's so many memes you can do with that Fox News headline.

Exactly.

First I want to get into the immigration news. Oh, you really want to kick off just like really with the fun stuff. Yeah, we get the blood going. Exactly. Martine, you had some interesting reactions. Oh, Martin, yeah, exactly. Please. What were your reactions to what you think of the policy? Well, it's interesting because it seems like any time the administration touches immigration, there's a huge outcry,

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