Hello and welcome to Money Talks and Slate Money, where we chat with brilliant and interesting

people. I'm Emily Peck. I'm a markets correspondent at Axios and co-hosts of Slate Money,

and I'm here today with Cal Newport.

Cal, welcome to Money Talks. Emily, thanks for having me. He's a contributing writer at The New Yorker

where he writes a column called Office Space. Cal's latest book is called Slow Productivity,

The Lost Art of Accomplishment Without Burnout. I mean, how would you describe it to people who have

not read it? Well, it's an answer to a

question that became more important for a lot of people, I think, during the pandemic,

especially people who worked office jobs. Is there a way to think about productivity that could

both support good work that also doesn't completely exhaust you, that doesn't impede on all other aspects

of your life. Can we, in other words, reform the very notion of productivity itself to be something

sustainable for these type of jobs? Yeah, it somehow inspired me to both work less and more.

Can't wait to get into it.

My name is Caden Sinclair.

Some people call us American royalty.

We were liars.

A new series on Prime Video.

We were happy.

We wanted for nothing.

Based on the best-selling novel.

Something terrible happened last summer, and I have no

memory of what or who hurt me. No one in my family will tell me. When you're left for dead, you want

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