Hello and welcome to the It's a Wonderful Life episode of Sleep Money goes to the movies.

I'm Felix Simon of Axios,

I'm here with my colleague Emily Peck.

Hello hello. Hello and we are going to talk about It's a Wonderful Life which is obviously a movie about banking but it's also a movie about

Christmas it's a movie about community we are going to talk about algorithms

amazingly we are going to talk about intersectionality, but actually we're just going to have a lot of fun talking about Jim Stewart and George Bailey and what happens in this movie.

Emily, who's our guest?

The wonderful Kathy O'Neill, the former co-host of Slate Money herself.

Kathy O'Neil is back from an undisclosed location,

so she is going to be joining us to talk about It's a Wonderful Life coming up on Slate Money goes to the movies.

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Kathy, you chose a classic Christmas movie.

You can't you can't shrug and flow your hands in the air on a podcast, Kathy.

No one can see you doing that.

Oh, oh, right. No, no, I, it wasn't to shrug, it was more like a smug smile.

Listen, I mean, this is not only one of the my favorite movies.

I would say it's like up there. It makes me cry every single time including when I was

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