How good is Sir Galise? He is very, very good and impressive. Back to back World Cup winning

Captain, which puts him level with Richard McCor, which alone is very impressive.

Now, he is phenomenal.

And when you actually look at it, he's also faced adversity.

Coming back from an ACL injury ahead of the World Cup,

getting back, I believe, in about six months time,

that takes an unbelievable amount of

dedication and work to get back that quickly and not only get back but perform at

the World Cup. I think he's definitely a bloke at Leeds from the front.

Obviously he had a massive effect on the entire nation.

I still remember the past two World Cup cycles and yeah, you think he's a phenomenal leader?

I tell you one thing as well is I love his, you know, even in the tunnels and when you're about to play Safka, you know, he's in the front, he's singing, you know, he creates a great energy, a great buzz.

He's unbelievable when he's on the pitch, obviously extremely physical competitive and from that.

But as soon as the whistle's over, just like a genuinely nice guy, very sort of humble, very sort of respectful.

He's been an unbelievable role model and a fantastic captain of South Africa.

I think a man like Kalee is really important for rugby. He's also bigger than rugby in some regards I think with the stuff he does on and off the field. But more importantly why are we actually talking about Kalee.

Well then, because this is an advert for another

podcast and Kalee is one of their guests. Good booking that, pretty jealous. The

podcast is called Mind Set Win. See what did there? His first game as South Africa Captain was actually in Johannesburg against

England at Ellis Park and I actually played in that fixture. I was there for Kalise's first

first game as Captain and on the losing end.

So when Kalee led that team out into Africa as the first ever black captain, could you feel it in the stadium?

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