This is Hidden Killers with Tony Bruske. Brian Coburger, the allegations against him make up one of the,

I would say, creepiest cases that I think we have ever covered on here. Of course, the University of

Idaho students. And the man accused is a Coburger, criminology PhD student,

accused him methodically stalking, murdering, and then allegedly trying to erase every trace

of his involvement. It's a story with more behavioral breadcrumbs than a forensic psychology

textbook. Joining a psychotherapist, an author, Shivan Scott, Chavon. Prosecution Painting Koberger is someone who

studied how to commit the perfect crime. Well, the defense hints at neurological defects and

autism, possibly. How do we begin to separate possible mental health conditions from dangerous

criminal intent in a case like this.

Yeah, autism, if that's what they're going to go for with that, which it certainly sounds like

that's going to be raised as an issue, has absolutely nothing to do with criminal behavior.

There are millions and millions of people in the U.S. and in every

other country of the world that carry a diagnosis at this point of autistic spectrum disorder.

That does not mean that they have dangerous fantasies. It does not mean they plot violence,

and in no way does it mean that they don't have a moral compass or a conscience. So that is

certainly not something that should factor into whether or not a person is guilty or innocent of

something like this, because it simply doesn't result in that kind of, that kind of behavior.

I want to talk about some of the behavior that occurred after the fact, after the crime was committed.

And I think there's some nuggets here that are before that also kind of tie in when we try to examine the mind of Koeberger.

Way back, right after the crimes were committed,

before they had Koeberger in custody,

before we knew the name Brian Kovberger,

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