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Hello and welcome to Decoder. I'm Neil Apital, editor and chief of the Verge. Decoder is my show about big ideas and other problems.

Today I'm talking to Sirius XM CEO, Jennifer Witts.

Now Sirius XM is a quietly fascinating company. You probably know it as the satellite radio brand that's in virtually every new car, but it also owns Pandora.

It has a huge podcast network that includes 99% invisible in Team Coco.

And it has a content operation that supports huge stars like Howard Stern and has deals with every major sports league.

What's particularly interesting about Sirius XM is that it started as a distribution play, actually two distribution plays.

Sirius XM were two different companies. They both launched competing satellite radio services in the early 2000s, basically pre-internet.

They eventually merged, but they used very different parts of the radio spectrum.

You'll hear Jennifer refer to this as the low band and high band.

Those bands are still incompatible, so Jennifer has to manage satellite development and deployment for all those cars on the road.

Because the satellite distribution network is still the most lucrative part of her business. Sirius is effectively the dominant market leader for built-in premium audio and cars.

At the same time, the competition is here. It's pretty obvious that the internet and mobile networks are a pretty good way of distributing audio content.

Spotify exists, podcast exists, and yes, the Sirius XM app exists as well.

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