Sir Richard Evans - The Dark Origins of Hitler Revisionism, Churchill Smear and Holocaust Denial
The Winston Marshall Show
Winston Marshall
4.8 • 661 Ratings
🗓️ 29 November 2025
⏱️ 97 minutes
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Summary
In this episode of The Winston Marshall Show, I sit down with Sir Richard Evans, Britain’s leading historian of Nazi Germany and the chief expert witness in the landmark David Irving v. Deborah Lipstadt trial: a case that exposed the methods and motives behind Holocaust denial.
Eighty years on from the end of World War Two, Evans warns that we are entering a new age of historical falsification, where the Holocaust is downplayed, Churchill is recast as the villain, and Hitler is bizarrely rehabilitated by a new generation of so-called “revisionists.”
We discuss the rise of online pseudo-historians and the viral spread of Nazi revisionism, and why figures like Nick Fuentes, Norman Finkelstein, and Daryl Cooper are reviving narratives once pioneered by Irving. Evans explains how this distortion of history threatens not only truth itself but the moral foundations of the West.
The rebirth of Holocaust denial, the war on truth, and the dangerous rewriting of our collective memory.
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction
01:44 Why This Debate Matters
03:02 Who Is David Irving?
10:23 Inside the Irving Trial: Evidence vs. Manipulation
17:27 How Irving Falsified History
26:38 Breaking Down the Holocaust Denial Tactics
43:17 Dresden: The 200,000 Casualty Myth
51:47 The “Churchill Was the Villain” Argument
1:04:57 The Holocaust They Never Mention
1:33:46 Why Historical Truth Still Matters Today
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| 0:00.0 | Over the last year or so, a whole slew of World War II revisionists have gained huge prominence. |
| 0:09.4 | Not just the likes of popular substacker and podcaster Daryl Cooper, who was on the Tucker Carson show, |
| 0:17.5 | claiming that Winston Churchill was the chief villain of World War, too. But we've also heard |
| 0:23.5 | Holocaust denialists, like Nick Fuentes, who has said repeatedly 200 or 300,000 Jews were |
| 0:30.1 | killed during the Holocaust, massively downplaying what really happened. We've heard it from the |
| 0:35.1 | likes of Dan Bilzerian on Piers Morgan, also disputing the numbers. Well, this, it turns out, is nothing new. And in 2000, David Irving, the most famous of all Holocaust deniers, tried or attempted to sue Deborah Lipstadt in the English High Courts for calling him a Holocaust |
| 0:55.5 | denier and he lost. And David Irving, even though he might be the source of many of the ideas |
| 1:01.7 | being rehashed today in the Commentariat and the world of podcasters was not the first |
| 1:08.5 | of these World War II revisionists. This is something that began as soon as the war |
| 1:13.7 | ended. My guest today is Sir Richard Evans, the main expert witness in the David Irving |
| 1:20.6 | versus Penguin Books Limited and Deborah Lipstadt case in 2000. With Sir Richard, we take a look at all of these conspiracy theories and fabricated histories |
| 1:32.1 | that are re-emerging, whether they be Irvingite or new all together. |
| 1:37.2 | We took a look at what was the truth behind these various accusations, these various revisions, and these various Nazi apologists. |
| 1:48.7 | Before you hear from Sir Richard, I just wanted to say, thank you for listening, thank you for your continued support, and if you head over to wintersamarshal.como.uk, |
| 1:56.0 | not only will you enjoy ad-free viewing and listening, but you'll have the opportunity to ask future guests your questions, and you'll even enjoy some of my essays on various topics, whether it's Israel and |
| 2:06.1 | Palestine or the State of Britain today. That's all at Winston-martial.com.com.uk. But without further |
| 2:15.8 | ado, Sir Richard Evans, 80 years on from the end of World War II, |
| 2:22.5 | and it seems we're going through a period of World War II revisionism, |
| 2:27.3 | not just the re-emergence of Holocaust denial, |
| 2:30.9 | but the idea that it was, in fact fact Sir Winston Churchill, who was the chief |
| 2:35.9 | villain of World War II, not Adolf Hitler. But these ideas, though they might sound new to a lot of |
| 2:44.7 | people, are not in fact new. And who better to talk them through and take a closer look at them than Britain's preeminent historian of Nazi Germany and World War II |
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