You're listening to serious inquiries only. Oh, Hello and welcome to serious inquiries only this is episode number 45. I'm your host Thomas Smith. I'm very excited to bring you today.

An interview with James Lindsay to get the other side, I suppose, his side of the whole Gender studies hoax paper and there's no point in giving you

much introduction I think we should just get into it save the analysis for afterwards

so here we go. Joining me now is James Lindsay back for third, fourth second, third time, that's something like third, but we've talked about your past books and most recently life in the light of death, which is a brilliant book that I highly recommended and I still would recommend.

So how are you doing, James?

I'm a bit tired, but I'm good, thank you.

Little in battle.

Understandably so. Where do we begin?

I mean, when we scheduled originally, I hadn't made up my mind about the whole thing and I don't

know if you've, happen to notice in the flurry of media requests and everything you're going through right now that I've firmly made up my mind but I'm always open to change my mind no matter what but I have to say it's it's a weird position because I I just can't believe you guys

went through with this the way you did and so I don't know how to proceed in the conversation

but do you want to I guess do you want to give a basic,

like what tell the story from your end, I guess?

What do you think about that?

Well, let me start with what you actually just said,

and then we can get into a little bit of the story.

So what you just said is, you you know you didn't know how to

proceed and you've firmly made up your mind and thankfully you said you're

you're open to revising your belief. I'm always open to revising my beliefs but

yeah excellent so the idea that people have firmly made up their mind is the most astounding part of this so far

for us.

So we published a piece in Skeptic revealing that we'd written this hoax paper,

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