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Hello Thrive Nationer welcome back to the conversation is the Thrive Time show

on your radio and we have the pleasure of being joined here with Dr. Robert

Zellner kind of the optometrist really he's an entrepreneur trapped inside an

optometrist body. Absolutely.

And we have, I would say, Pastor Brian Gibson,

who, I would say this, he's a guy who cares about people and helping them get to know Christ,

trapped with inside the label of whatever

you think a pastor is.

I think a lot of people think a pastor

is somebody who pontificates on a Sunday about how you know you're doing this wrong

and I'm doing this is what God wants you to do but and I'm not saying that's what

a pastor is but I think the secular world maybe views that but you I mean

you're a guy who whether we want you to or not you want to take the shirt off of

your body and give it to somebody else. Why?

Why do you want to help people?

I'm serious, I mean, why do you, what is going on, what psychologically is wrong with you?

Why do you want to devote your life to helping people get to know Christ where there is no earthly

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