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Hello there and welcome to this Sunday's Sunday Chops.

Chops on a Sunday.

Sunday Chops. Yeah, it's probably time to start seeing people, isn't it?

Anyway, this week we handed the reins over to the excellent Lucy Nickle.

Society loves to stigmatise, but more often than not not the whole story isn't in the public domain that's something that really interests Lucy and in this episode she talks to a woman who had her children taken into care they They chat about how things went wrong, the assumptions

made of mothers, the assumptions made around mental health, and what all of that meant for her

and her, thankfully now back together again, family. It's a really fascinating listen and it

genuinely made me think about how quick I can be to reach judgment on people when I don't actually

know the whole story.

Obviously it's all a learning curve and the more we know and the more we educate ourselves and the more we

listen, hopefully the better we are. I'm going to hand you over to Lucy now.

When a mother has her child taken into care it can spark all kinds of assumptions. In fact the mother is often considered bad or uncaring because well surely being a mother is a natural

gift. I think over the years as a step-mum myself I have to admit having made assumptions

on the topic something which makes me feel terrible when I look back.

But perhaps as long as we take the time to learn and listen, to stand in someone else's shoes. It doesn't matter what we've thought

before if we are willing to think again. That's why I wanted to talk to somebody

about her experience of having her two children removed.

We'll not be sharing her name as, well, the stigma is still rife.

But perhaps in sharing these stories, we can chip away at that stigma and enable mothers who are struggling with domestic abuse, mental health

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