Welcome to SILA Consciousness, the DSR Network podcast focusing on the artificial intelligence revolution, politics and policy.

Hello and welcome to DSR's Scylla Consciousness.

I'm David Rothkoff, your host.

This week we are joined by one of the most valued minds that we get to deal with here.

Alondra Nelson holds the Harold F. Linder Chair and leads the science, technology, and social values lab at the Institute for Advanced Study.

How are you doing today, Alandra?

I'm doing great, David. How are you?

Good. I mean, considering the state of the world, I'm as good as good as good as a good as a good as a good as a good. Yes. Well's always that. That's the asterisk.

Yes.

Well, we're slugging ahead.

But, you know, with that in mind, let me pause it a thought.

And it's, I don't know.

Maybe it's just slightly contrarian, but let me suggest that while all the headlines for pretty understandable

reasons this week are focused on the war with Iran and the unrest in the Middle East,

that in the long term, we may conclude that the bigger story of the past week is that the Pentagon

has come out of the closet and essentially said, first with regard to its dealings with

anthropic and then with regard to its dealings with open AI, here's what we want.

We don't want any of your darn guidelines,

just like Pete Hankseth doesn't like, you know, crazy rules of engagement. He finds international law

to be a real impediment to what he's doing. And in particular, you know, apparently they've

been pushing on the idea that, you know,

if they want AI to do surveillance on, you know, the American people, even though that's illegal,

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