Signal President Meredith Whitaker comes on to talk about the popular messaging app and what's real or not in the world of AI.

All that and more coming up right after this.

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part of your daily routine. Welcome to Big Technology podcast, a show for cool-headed, nuanced

conversation of the tech world and beyond. We're joined today by Meredith Whitaker. She's the president

of the Signal app and the chief advisor to the AI Now Institute. Meredith, welcome to the show.

So happy to be here. Thank you for having me. You bet. So we're going to cover a lot of ground today,

but I thought it would be a missed opportunity to start without asking you briefly about Google.

You spent 13 years there, but you're just like high level view of the

state of Google today. You know, look, I'm not at Google anymore. I hear the rumors, but I mean,

history teaches us empires die, right? You know, the winners don't stay winning always. And I think,

you know, I think management at Google has always been a bit fuzzy. There's

always been, you know, the cloud business has, you know, consistently struggled to catch up to

Amazon and Microsoft. You know, none of this is new news. I think, you know, for a very long time,

Google was sort of figured as just the default leader in AI.

A lot of the sort of early techniques around parallel processing were being kind of

innovated in labs at Google.

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