Before this BBC podcast kicks off, I'd like to tell you about some others you might enjoy.

My name's Will Wilkin and I Commission Music Podcast for the BBC.

It's a really cool job, but every day we get to tell the incredible stories behind songs, moments and movements,

stories of struggle and success, rises and falls, the funny, the ridiculous.

And the BBC's position at the heart of British music means we can tell those stories like no one else.

We were, are and always will be right there at the center of the narrative.

So whether you want an insightful take on music right now or a nostalgic deep dive into some of the most famous and

infamous moments in music check out the music podcasts on BBC Sounds.

BBC Sounds music radio podcasts.

This is a Thinking Loud Podcasts from the BBC,

and for more details and much, much more about Thinking aloud,

go to our website at BBC.co. UK.

Hello, 50 years ago, together with my academic colleague and close friend Stanley Cohen,

I wrote a book called Psychological Survival, the experience of

long-term imprisonment. It was based on the time we both spent as part-time tutors in

the E-wing of Durham Prison, a wing that housed the most notorious prisoners of the day, the

cray twins, members of the Richardson gang, Bruce Reynolds from the great train

robbery and Moore's murderer Ian Brady.

Probably no other prisoners in the UK have been the subjects of such

all-encompassing surveillance.

Prison officers were stationed on every landing, banks of cameras penetrated every corner,

conversations between prisoners were covertly recorded.

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