I'm Otto Brown, a queer science fiction writer, a theologian, a mother of dragons, and

the killing justice facilitator for social movements, living on Dakota and in a

Shinobi land currently known as Minneapolis.

I'm Paige Marie Brown, I'm also queer. I'm a writer, a student of miracles, love, and

emergent strategist, and pleasure activist, and radical imaginarium, living on

Anishinaabe Territory, currently known as Detroit University. And this is how to

survive the end of the world.

Our podcast about learning from a populist with grace, rigor, and curiosity. And today

we continue our sibling mini-series with a pair of humans who I am so mored by their

existence, their magical, magical humans. We have for you today Nana and Naveena

and I think I've known them a combination of 87 years. So Nana and I met a long time ago

doing electoral organizing. We were there at the grounding of the League of Pistoph

voters and then Nana has gone on to found the Positive Women's Network and do all kinds

of incredible organizing for positive women. And I've gotten to witness the growth and

the stepping into a massive leadership in the world and watched her change the world.

And then Nana and I got to be in all kinds of fellowship together, but particularly

a very special early interdependence kind of fellowship. And we've been in scholarship

and study, but Nana is basically transforming the landscape of the food justice realm.

And I'm like, I wonder, I want to hear from you all. Like, is that how you still roll?

I'm like, these are just the things I know about you, but that's part of why we wanted

to bring you on here. And these two are siblings. They feel like twins, but have reminded me

that that's not true. That's not the case. And what we want to do today with you all is

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