I'm Autumn Brown, a queer science fiction writer, theologian, mother of dragons, and a healing

justice facilitator for social movements living on Dakota and Enishinabi land known as

The Atlas. And I'm Aja Marie Brown, a writer, scholar of belonging, album, producer, person,

and some of them in the world, emergent strategist, and pleasure activist living on Enishinabi

territory, currently known as Detroit. And this is how to survive the end of the world.

Our podcast about learning from a populist, with grace, rigor, and curiosity.

And this is our first sibling interview.

I am so excited today, because this whole season, we've decided to dedicate to intimate,

sacred, strange, magical ground of siblings in movement. People who are dedicated to justice,

dedicated to revolution, dedicated to changing the world, and are doing that with someone

who they were born into the same family, raised in the same family, and then somehow

both ended up in this radical work. We're really curious about what it takes to be siblings

in movement, how we end up as siblings in movement, and how it shapes our work, what we can

learn about each other, what we can offer to people who maybe need to recruit their siblings

and to move on. And excitingly, the seed of this idea came from multiple moments over

many years between us and two of our favorite movement siblings, Leah and Naima Peniman,

who we are so excited to welcome to the show.

Naima, welcome, Leah. I will say briefly that you all in the world probably know these

siblings in various ways. Naima is a poet, a healer, a farmer, like one of these magical

human beings who does a ton of things to ideate and shift how we see the world. And one

of the first ways I experienced Naima was as a visual artist who went to school with

Autumn. And I showed up, and I was like, what is this incredible display on abolition in

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