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Top Traders Unplugged

SI329: CTAs: Innovation Meets Legacy & the BlackRock Effect ft. Andrew Beer & Tom Wrobel

Top Traders Unplugged

Niels Kaastrup-Larsen

Business, Business News, Investing, News

4.8670 Ratings

🗓️ 4 January 2025

⏱️ 88 minutes

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Summary

Together with Andrew Beer and Tom Wrobel, we dive deep into the evolving landscape of managed futures and CTAs, highlighting the critical need for a narrative shift to better communicate their value to investors. Andrew and Tom discuss the challenges faced by allocators in understanding the unique benefits of trend-following strategies, especially amidst a backdrop of changing market dynamics. They explore the implications of BlackRock's recent move to launch an actively managed manager ETF, which could significantly impact how managed futures are perceived and allocated within investment portfolios. The conversation also touches on the potential for new ESG-compliant products that could attract investors reluctant to engage with traditional commodity exposure. With insights into the current market environment and the importance of adaptability, this episode provides valuable perspectives for anyone interested in systematic investing and the future of CTAs.

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Episode TimeStamps:

01:20 - Our expectations going into 2025

07:00 - What to do when bonds are collapsing

10:21 - Industry performance update

11:49 - A deep dive into indices

17:36 - The mechanisms behind creating an index

23:13 - What returns can you expect from a CTA replication index?

27:21 - What are the average fees in today's...

Transcript

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0:00.0

You're about to join Neil's Kostrup Larson on a raw and honest journey into the world of systematic investing and learn about the most dependable and consistent yet often overlooked investment strategy.

0:13.2

Welcome to the Systematic Investor Series.

0:38.5

Welcome, welcome, welcome back to this week's edition of the Systematic Investor Series with Andrew Beer and Tom Robill, who is a director within the capital consulting and capital introductions team at Prime Services and Clearing at Sochgen, as well as myself, of course, Nils Castro-Larsen,

0:42.9

where each week we take the polls of the global market through the lens of a rules-based investor.

0:47.4

Andrew, Tom, it's great to have you both on the podcast this week.

0:50.6

How are you keeping? How was your holidays? What about you, Andrew?

0:56.0

Oh, holidays were wonderful, thank you. I'm struggling with the tail end of a cough,

1:00.1

so you're going to hear a very raspy version of me today. But again, it's always a pleasure to be here.

1:05.4

Absolutely. How about you, Tom? How are you doing? Very well, thanks, Neil. Delighted to be on.

1:11.9

A long-time listener, but a first-time contributor, so thank you for having me on. It's so weird. I mean, obviously, we've crossed path for many, many years, and we should have had you on a long time ago, so we're

1:16.5

going to make up for that today and hopefully in the future as well. You know, I think that,

1:22.2

I think this conversation, we're kicking off, kicking off a new year. I think we're going to

1:26.5

be touching on a lot of really important topics when it comes to the CTA industry, but also at a very important time,

1:32.8

actually, and you both bring some unique insights that I'm very excited to share with our audience.

1:39.9

So I have been looking forward to this quite a lot. Now, before we kick off with all the CTA-focused stuff, I'm always curious to what you have

1:50.5

been keeping an eye on, anything that's been on your radar.

1:54.6

So I'll let you go first, Andrew, on this.

1:57.3

Anything that you've been pondering over the holidays?

2:01.3

I think, I mean, to me, the most thing that I'm watching probably most closely

2:04.7

outside of the space is just what's going on in the political sphere.

2:08.4

And in the U.S., you know, the, I find it absolutely fascinating how this, the Trump administration is bringing back a sense of animal spirits

2:20.5

back into the U.S. And again, my mother's side family was has been involved in. They're always

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