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Hello and welcome to Special Saturday additional coffee house shots.

There's lots of talk these days about where the Tories can win a fifth term,

but do they want to win a fifth term? To discuss that, I'm joined by James Recyve and Fraser Nelson.

James, you've ridden your time's column on this issue and what it might mean if the Tories

did fall out of power, but before we get to that, what are you picking up when it comes to why

some might not actually be dashing to the polls? James Co-Cop has written about this on coffee house

as well. There are some Tories who are beginning to muse will look at the next few years,

in the growth forecast, the first half, the next parliament are pretty dire. The Tories by the time

the next election will have been in power for 14 years. And some Tories say, look, was it really

the best thing in the world to win the 1992 general election? They argue if they lost in 1992,

Neil Kinnick would have been Prime Minister, he probably would have been a one-term Prime Minister,

and there would have been no Tony Blair and no 13 years in the wilderness for the Tories.

So these people are beginning to say, maybe it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to lose

the next election. Now, I think actually it would be very bad for Tories to lose the next election

because they would most likely not lose the next election to a Labour Party, but to an anti-tory

majority which would cause all sorts of problems for them. Because an anti-tory majority would be

likely to, for example, change the voting system in ways that would really penalise the Tories and

make this a, and probably put them out of power for a generation. Fraser, are you picking up

for that level of concern that actually perhaps what seems like the obvious thing might not be the

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