Should the climate movement embrace property destruction? with Andreas Malm

Zero: The Climate Race

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🗓️ 15 December 2022

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Throughout history, no social movement has succeeded without utilizing property destruction as a tactic, and if the climate movement is to be effective it will have to do the same. So says Andreas Malm, author of How to Blow Up a Pipeline, on this week’s episode of Zero. But how do you delineate between justifiable sabotage and unacceptable violence? And is there a risk that escalation backfires as a strategy?

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0:00.0	Welcome to Zero. I'm Akshadrati.
0:03.0	This week, protests, pipelines and property destruction.
0:11.0	It seems like every day a new bit of climate activism makes the news.
0:19.0	A van go covered in soup.
0:21.3	What is worth more?
0:25.3	Art or life?
0:27.3	A Tour de France halted by protesters.
0:29.5	Dragging them off the road.
0:30.5	You can actually see them there.
0:30.9	Dragging off the road.
0:32.3	Pascal Lino, Ex Tour de France, yellow jersey, obviously threw one down in the ditch there.
0:36.9	Scenes here and we don't need that disrupting this bicycle race.
0:39.3	Fights breaking out between enraged drivers and activists blocking roads.
0:43.3	Literally scraps, they are picking up protesters one by one and dragging them.
0:47.3	And I think they've managed to free up one lorry.
0:50.3	As alarm and urgency grows about the lack of action on climate change, the tactics
0:56.0	employed by activists are escalating, with frequent examples of direct action and civil disobedience.
1:02.8	Many that annoy people, but succeed in attracting the attention they seek.
1:07.3	My guest today is Andrius Maum, an associate professor of human ecology at Lund University,
1:13.3	who has thought long and hard about how to make the climate movement more effective.
1:18.3	He is the author of How to Blow Up a Pipeline, where he argues that if the climate movement
1:23.0	wants to be successful, it must embrace even more radical action, including violence in the form of
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